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		<title>By: Steven Holmes</title>
		<link>http://lonesysadmin.net/2008/02/09/storage-vmotion-gui-stepping-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-73970</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vmware is very good software i have been using it since the 99 but with 3.5 came alot of sloppy problems to clean up 3.0.2 is super stable and has no issues that we have seen but 3.5 is a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vmware is very good software i have been using it since the 99 but with 3.5 came alot of sloppy problems to clean up 3.0.2 is super stable and has no issues that we have seen but 3.5 is a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Osborne</title>
		<link>http://lonesysadmin.net/2008/02/09/storage-vmotion-gui-stepping-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-73969</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a VI3 infrastructure that has been problem free since installation. I haven&#039;t upgraded to ESX 3.5 yet as I have no compelling reason to do so (yet).

Like any new version of software from almost any software vendor, the early adopters are the guinea pigs who find all the problems for the rest of us that take a more conservative approach. I still haven&#039;t deployed Windows Server 2003 SP2 for the same reason (although I will be soon as it has been out for a few months now).

I&#039;ll upgrade to ESX 3.5 when I must have a new feature and only after the initial wave of bug fixes are released and documented and plenty of others in forums have posted resolves and workarounds for problems I might encounter.

My business also relies on Citrix Presentation Server as a core technology and from experience I can tell you that Citrix pushes new versions, upgrades, patches out the door far too quickly as well. I don&#039;t expect the XenServer or XenDesktop initial builds to be any better as both will essentially be v1.0

Unfortunately, almost all software vendors seem to push buggy software out the door these days in an effort to stay competitive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a VI3 infrastructure that has been problem free since installation. I haven&#8217;t upgraded to ESX 3.5 yet as I have no compelling reason to do so (yet).</p>
<p>Like any new version of software from almost any software vendor, the early adopters are the guinea pigs who find all the problems for the rest of us that take a more conservative approach. I still haven&#8217;t deployed Windows Server 2003 SP2 for the same reason (although I will be soon as it has been out for a few months now).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll upgrade to ESX 3.5 when I must have a new feature and only after the initial wave of bug fixes are released and documented and plenty of others in forums have posted resolves and workarounds for problems I might encounter.</p>
<p>My business also relies on Citrix Presentation Server as a core technology and from experience I can tell you that Citrix pushes new versions, upgrades, patches out the door far too quickly as well. I don&#8217;t expect the XenServer or XenDesktop initial builds to be any better as both will essentially be v1.0</p>
<p>Unfortunately, almost all software vendors seem to push buggy software out the door these days in an effort to stay competitive.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Geerlings</title>
		<link>http://lonesysadmin.net/2008/02/09/storage-vmotion-gui-stepping-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-73951</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Geerlings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are running our production servers on vmware for the last 3 years now. We have come accros some bumbs in the road but that is a bit the charm of using and doing new stuff.

I have looked at Xen and Hyper-V and I think Xen has a long way to go before catching up with Vmware (they just released shared fiber storage support, vmware customers are already replacing their old SAN, why do you think vmware came-up with svmotion?). 

Hyper-V is not even going to get there, do not expect a 28$ product to compete with XEN or Vmware ESX. The only reason it even costs a couple of dollars is to avoid new fines from Neelie Kroes, the European Commissioner for Competition.
MS and Citrix are working closely together on a new combination. Xen being the high-end product, the costly one (like Metaframe) and Hyper-V being the low-end/mid-end solution, almost for free(like Terminal Services). 
Hyper-V will only scratch the Xen surface just as TS did/does with Winframe/Metaframe/Presentation server/XenApp. They will make sure there is a market and a price for both of them. 


It looks like the vmware focus at the moment is on the management tools for the hosts and the VMs. A good thing, i guess, but they should not become sloppy on their core product.
The fact that more complains are being posted doesnot necessarily mean the product is getting bad. It can also mean that more people are using the product :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are running our production servers on vmware for the last 3 years now. We have come accros some bumbs in the road but that is a bit the charm of using and doing new stuff.</p>
<p>I have looked at Xen and Hyper-V and I think Xen has a long way to go before catching up with Vmware (they just released shared fiber storage support, vmware customers are already replacing their old SAN, why do you think vmware came-up with svmotion?). </p>
<p>Hyper-V is not even going to get there, do not expect a 28$ product to compete with XEN or Vmware ESX. The only reason it even costs a couple of dollars is to avoid new fines from Neelie Kroes, the European Commissioner for Competition.<br />
MS and Citrix are working closely together on a new combination. Xen being the high-end product, the costly one (like Metaframe) and Hyper-V being the low-end/mid-end solution, almost for free(like Terminal Services).<br />
Hyper-V will only scratch the Xen surface just as TS did/does with Winframe/Metaframe/Presentation server/XenApp. They will make sure there is a market and a price for both of them. </p>
<p>It looks like the vmware focus at the moment is on the management tools for the hosts and the VMs. A good thing, i guess, but they should not become sloppy on their core product.<br />
The fact that more complains are being posted doesnot necessarily mean the product is getting bad. It can also mean that more people are using the product :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Rogers</title>
		<link>http://lonesysadmin.net/2008/02/09/storage-vmotion-gui-stepping-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-73950</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For us VMware ESX Server has been ROCK SOLID the last 6 years and worthy and proven as a reliable data center product. The others are still trying to catch up.

There are always improvements that can be made in the management side and performance information inside the virtual machines though.

But the ESX server code itself has been very stable and trustworthy.

I&#039;m also amazed at the visionary thinking that VMware (with 10 years of experience) brings to the virtual infrastructure that many companies could not live without these days. Then you just see the others trying to copy their ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For us VMware ESX Server has been ROCK SOLID the last 6 years and worthy and proven as a reliable data center product. The others are still trying to catch up.</p>
<p>There are always improvements that can be made in the management side and performance information inside the virtual machines though.</p>
<p>But the ESX server code itself has been very stable and trustworthy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also amazed at the visionary thinking that VMware (with 10 years of experience) brings to the virtual infrastructure that many companies could not live without these days. Then you just see the others trying to copy their ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we should go back to physical servers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we should go back to physical servers?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Holmes</title>
		<link>http://lonesysadmin.net/2008/02/09/storage-vmotion-gui-stepping-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-73939</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys are right they are pushing the product out the door way before the product is ready 3.5, it doesn&#039;t support Microsoft clustering the v-motion causes some really weird CPU and memory issues. The vmtools has huge issues when you try to upgrade plus causes the nic card to disappear and then come back as a new nic card which causes the server to freak out. We have 2 DC’s that run nothing but vmware (about 65 host and 150 virtual servers) and have some real issues and then we call support (level 1 and level 2 are useless because we know about their product than they do and getting a level3 or higher engineer on it takes 36hrs ridiculous) I love the product or did before 3.5 but have some serious issues with where they are headed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys are right they are pushing the product out the door way before the product is ready 3.5, it doesn&#8217;t support Microsoft clustering the v-motion causes some really weird CPU and memory issues. The vmtools has huge issues when you try to upgrade plus causes the nic card to disappear and then come back as a new nic card which causes the server to freak out. We have 2 DC’s that run nothing but vmware (about 65 host and 150 virtual servers) and have some real issues and then we call support (level 1 and level 2 are useless because we know about their product than they do and getting a level3 or higher engineer on it takes 36hrs ridiculous) I love the product or did before 3.5 but have some serious issues with where they are headed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://lonesysadmin.net/2008/02/09/storage-vmotion-gui-stepping-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-73938</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so you guys think VMware is toast and we should all move over to Microsoft or Xen? It seems hard to believe that the other virtualization software is so much better so fast and now you&#039;re suggesting dumping VMware...We have a significant investment in VMware and not had the problems you mention (that I am aware) so who do we believe as a company these days? MS, VMware, or Citrix-Xen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so you guys think VMware is toast and we should all move over to Microsoft or Xen? It seems hard to believe that the other virtualization software is so much better so fast and now you&#8217;re suggesting dumping VMware&#8230;We have a significant investment in VMware and not had the problems you mention (that I am aware) so who do we believe as a company these days? MS, VMware, or Citrix-Xen?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.   VMware has been really dropping the ball the past couple years in terms of support and software offerings.    I&#039;ve already decided that as soon as one of the OSS virtualization software is ready, I&#039;m dumping VMware like a hot potato.

It&#039;s too bad, too.  I used to be a huge fan.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.   VMware has been really dropping the ball the past couple years in terms of support and software offerings.    I&#8217;ve already decided that as soon as one of the OSS virtualization software is ready, I&#8217;m dumping VMware like a hot potato.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad, too.  I used to be a huge fan.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: blog.scottlowe.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>blog.scottlowe.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I&#039;m Glad I&#039;m Not The Only One&lt;/strong&gt;

Are you disappointed in version 3.5 of VMware Infrastructure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I&#8217;m Glad I&#8217;m Not The Only One</strong></p>
<p>Are you disappointed in version 3.5 of VMware Infrastructure?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Plankers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Plankers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that might be a lot of things. Google and Apple have lost a significant amount of share value, too. But all these loose ends don&#039;t help, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that might be a lot of things. Google and Apple have lost a significant amount of share value, too. But all these loose ends don&#8217;t help, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Storage VMotion GUI, Stepping Backwards &#124; time management</title>
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		<dc:creator>Storage VMotion GUI, Stepping Backwards &#124; time management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest of this great post here [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall Street seems to agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall Street seems to agree with you.</p>
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